[VIDEO] MILANOVIĆ O LJUDIMA S USTAŠKIM SIMBOLIMA: ‘Tuđman bi ih rastjerao psima… Plenkovića sam upozorio, pokazao je strah i kukavičluk’

Zbog oznaka ‘Za dom spremni’ u povorci Milanović je u petak u Okučanima napustio obilježavanje Bljeska, a na RTL-u je govorio o svom potezu, ali i izborima, ekonomskim mjerama, koronavirusu…

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Ja to smatram gaženjem žrtava i sjećanja na ovaj događaj”, kazao je Milanović. Dodao je da ubuduće gdje god bude ovakva situacija u tome neće sudjelovati. <p>Predsjednik Milanović gostovao je u<a href="https://www.rtl.hr/vijesti-hr/novosti/hrvatska/3809641/ekskluzivni-intervju-zoran-milanovic-za-rtl/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> RTL Danasu</a> gdje je<strong> Adrianu De Vrgni</strong> objasnio svoj potez.</p> <div class="responsive-ad-container-v2"> <div id="div-gpt-ad-1645699903930-0" class="div-gpt"> <script> googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1645699903930-0'); }); </script> </div> </div> <p><strong>Jeste li preburno reagirali odlaskom iz Okučana?</strong> <p>To je bilo nužno i isprovocirano. Netko je, po prvi puta, koliko pamtim, u povijesti Hrvatske, dopustio takvu sabotažu na razini državnog protokola.</p> <p><strong>Tko je taj netko?</strong></p> <p>Odgovorna osoba. Ministarstvo branitelja je organizator. Prvi puta, inače je to bilo Ministarstvo obrane. Naglasit ću, nikad se nije dogodilo da, osim nekakvih rubnih scena i prizora, ‘za dom spremni, a znamo što je to, uđe u službeni državni protokol. Čak i na vijencu.</p> <p><strong>Smatrate da je odgovoran gospodin Medved?</strong></p> <p>Netko je odgovoran. Tu treba tražiti odgovorne. Drago mi je da se slažemo da postoji odgovornost za to, a u skladu s time i moja reakcija – koja je bila mirna. Na kraju krajeva, vidjelo se da o tome razgovaram s premijerom i cijelom tom ekipom prije samog početka.</p> <p><strong>Jeste li se čuli s premijerom nakon toga?</strong></p> <p>Nisam se čuo. Ne vidim posebnu potrebu da se oko toga čujemo. Sve je jasno. Ja sam znao unaprijed što se događa. Moji epidemiolozi su provjerili situaciju na terenu. I rekao sam premijeru i njegovim suradnicima: gledajte dečki, stanje je takvo i takvo. Jeste li u stanju riješiti? Nadam se da se slažete da to tako ne može. Bili su smotani i zbunjeni. S time da vjerujem da netko i organizacijski stoji iza toga. Gotovo je s pretvaranjem. Tome se mora stati na kraj. Ja niti mogu niti hoću stajati represijom, mada smatram da to treba zabraniti zakonski. Na kraju krajeva, Plenković je tog čovjeka priveo u policiju nakon što je sve završilo. Kako da to protumačim. Čovjeka su priveli. No, ponovit ću vam, zamišljeno je bilo ispred predsjednika države koji je još uvijek glavni zapovjednik, predsjednika Vlade, koji je predsjednik stranke tim ljudima, vijence polažu žrtve, što je normalno i često je bilo, ali i zapovjednici. Ajde, zapovjednici ispred predsjednika – u redu. Tamo je bio zapovjednik 1. gardijske iz rata, to je jako važan čovjek, to je Marijan Mareković i neki ljudi koji su u to vrijeme bili potkaplari. Ali su bili hrvatski branitelji. I to su ljudi kojima se takve stvari toleriraju kao da ih se potiče da to rade i na to treba reagirati i to je sve. Reakcija je ustvari bila suzdržana.</p> <p><strong>Vaš savjetnik je ostao tamo i položio vijence…</strong></p> <p>Ja sam rekao da ostane tamo. Iza je druga stvar. Ispred je bitno i za to mi odgovaraš. To treba biti košer, halal, čito i sterilno. Marijan Mareković je bio zapovjednik 1. gardijske brigade. Ja sam tražio da ostane. I od njega i od načelnika Glavnog stožera.</p> <p>Kazao je kako je nakon toga osoba koja je tamo bila “koja uopće nije bila u HOS-u” doveden u Hrvatsku policiju. “Tuđman bi ih rastjerao psima u takvoj situaciji. Doslovno”, kazao je.</p> <p><strong>Jel to znači da ćete sada svaki puta kada netko izvjesi zastavu HOS-a, a znamo da je bilo takvih situacija i u Vukovaru i u Kninu, napustiti te komemoracije?</strong></p> <p>Jako računam na to gdje idem i tko je organizator. Ovo su, ustvari, rijetke prilike. Dakle, date nekome povjerenje. Mada bi u nekom državnom protokolu protokol predsjednika Republike bar trebao znati što se događa. Govorimo o VIP gostima. Ovo su bili VIP gosti u protokolu. Ne možete ih pretresati i gledati koju majcu imaju ispod jakne. Ne možete računati s tim da će se zadnji tren razodjenuti i zablistati u svom svom sjaju. Sa ZDS-om.</p> <p><strong>Mislite da vam je netko smjestio? I s kojim ciljem?</strong></p> <p>Nije. Nema tu smještanja. To je naprosto politika. Netko smatra, i tu ide predaleko, da time može imati političke koristi. Međutim samo po sebi, radi se o nečemu zbog čega vidimo da hrvatska policija ljude privodi na razgovor i uzima njihove podatke. Kako je moguće da je 15 minuta prije toga takva osoba tako obilježena mogla stajati ispred predsjednika Vlade, kojeg sam osobno na to upozorio pred 10 svjedoka. Zamolio da se to riješi i rekao: čujte dečki, ako je tako ja u tome sudjelovati ne mogu, a vama na savjest.</p> <p><strong>Zamjerke na vaš račun idu da vam je 2015. godine, kada je bio vojni mimohod, nije to isto smetalo i da je bilo isto takvih pojava?</strong></p><div id="midasWidget__10643"></div><script async src="https://cdn2.midas-network.com/Scripts/midasWidget-11-673-10643.js"></script> <p>Kakvih pojava je bilo?</p> <p><strong>Istaknutih simbola HOS-a…</strong></p> <p>Na paradi u Zagrebu?</p> <p><strong>Da…</strong></p> <p>Moguće. Nisam vidio. Pogriješio sam. Ali ‘za dom spremni’ ne vjerujem da je bilo. To bi volio vidjeti. No, to su toliko bijedna izmotavanja. Što to znači? Da je ovo ispravno? Što to znači da ako sam neki puta nešto propustio vidjeti ili reagirati da se s time slažem. Sad smo imali priliku vidjeti da premijer, predsjednik stranke i njegovi suradnici, nakon što su vidjeli i nakon što su upozoreni, su pokazali strah, nerazumijevanje, kukavičluk, slaganje. I nakon toga su tog istog čovjeka priveli u policiju. Protiv čega su njegovi prijatelji prosvjedovali.</p> <p><strong>Rekli su da ste vi pogriješili. Gospodin Jandroković je rekao da ste vi još otvorili te ideološke podjele izjavom u Jasenovcu o ploči. Jeste li tada možda preburno reagirali kada ste rekli da ploči treba maknuti i baciti?</strong></p> <p>Opet mi je drago da koristite izraz ploča. Radi se o ploči i natpisu, a ne o imenima nekih mladih ljudi koji su ovdje potpuno u drugom planu zlorabljeni i silovani, kao i ovi danas, žrtve i naši branitelji koji su poginuli u oslobađanju hrvatskog teritorija i hrvatske zemlje 1995. godine. Dakle, ploča ‘za dom psremni’ par sto metara od ulaza u Jasenovac, ruganje, izrugivanje žrtvama, sadizam. Pregovori sa državom, praktički u statusu ravnopravno zaraćene strane. Dobro da nemaju status ruskog cara u Napoleonskim ratovima.</p> <p><strong>To mi je jasno, ali govorimo o ploči koja je izmještena i izboru riječi. Jeste li bili možda pregrubi kada ste rekli da ploču treba maknuti?</strong></p> <p>Ploču treba maknuti i tu se ne radi o imenima ljudi. Ploča je problem. S tom pločom se ucjenjuje cijela Hrvatska. Vlast koja se boji, koja se trese, koja pregovara, koja formira nekakva povjerenstva. Valjda povjerenstvo za istinu. To je kućno povjerenstvo te Vlade. To nije moje povjerenstvo. Da bi nakon toga, obratimo pažnju na to, čovjeka, osobu koja je tamo bila, koji inače uopće nije bio u HOS-u, koji inače uopće nije postojao 1995. godine, to je bilo zabranjeno. Tuđman bi ih rastjerao psima u takvoj situaciji, doslovno. Taj čovjek bude priveden u hrvatsku policiju i to u Okučanima. Drže li mene i za to odgovornim. Pa nisam ja, ako sam zapovjednik vojske, policije, Boga mi, nisam.</p> <p><strong>Kako riješiti da se ovakva situacija ne ponavlja?</strong></p> <p>Zabranom u zakonu. Vidimo da policija, po meni, ispravno postupa, ali ne bih policajcima bio u koži. Tim ljudima je nemoguće. I najteže je takvim službama kada e znaju točno što da rade i kad rade po intuiciji.</p> <p><strong>Je li vaša Vlada mogla reagirati sa oštrijim zakonima i zašto nije?</strong></p> <p>Mogla je. Ali kave to sad ima veze. Znate koja je razlika, nitko se nije usudio nakeljiti ploču sa ‘za dom spremni’ na ulazu u Jasenovac. To meni ne bi napravili. To su napravili 2016. godine, Plenkoviću. I onda se pregovaralo pola godine i normalno da u takvoj situaciji ljudi dobiju napoleonski značaj važnosti. To je to. Dakle, zabraniti kao u Austriji.</p> <p><strong>Možda je trebalo donijeti puno jasniji zakon. Sada imamo situaciju da, de facto, i HOS i pozdrav i insignije su legalizirane…</strong></p> <p>Kako su legalizirane?</p> <p><strong>Na način da sudovi donose odluke da se mogu koristiti u komemorativnom svrhama , dok se u drugim slučajevima to poistovjećuje s NDH-a.</strong></p> <p>Nije točno, sudovi donose svakakve odluke. Međutim, ovo nije bila nikakva komemorativna svrha. Ovo je bilo obilježavanje obljetnice pobjede Hrvatske vojske koja se dogodila 1995., više od tri godine nakon što je HOS i ‘za dom spremni’ razjuren. Ovo čak nije u skladu ni sa stajalištima tog smiješnog povjerenstva. Čak je i tome protivno. Slažete se sa mnom? Protivno je. To se čak niti uz napristranije permisivno tumačenje prihvatljivosti tog zločinačkog urlika nije smjelo danas koristiti.</p> <p><strong>U dvije komemorativne situacije vi ste postali vijest. Smeta li vam to?</strong></p> <p>Da, smeta mi. Ali što da radim. Da se pokrijem ušima po glavi, da dopustim da budem nečiji podrepaš tamo kao predsjednik Republike. Mene su građani birali jako dobro znajući koga biraju. Nisam nekakav zaneseni pjesnik koji je izašao iz brezove šume usred Rusije, potpuno nepoznat. Mene ljudi znaju i znali su za što ću se zalagati, odnosno više što neću dopuštati. Ovdje nisam da propagiram bilo kakvu petokraku, partizane, to je za mene prošlost. Ali ono što kompromitira Hrvatsku, o čemu je jasno govorio još Tuđman, i djelovao. Ja to govorim ne zato što je on to govorio nego to samo dodajem. Na kraju krajeva, ljudi koji su to danas napravili uopće nisu bili članovi čak niti HOS-a.</p> <p>Adrian de Vrgna, Vijesti.hr</p> <div class="responsive-ad-container-v3"> <div id="div-gpt-ad-1645699951870-0" class="div-gpt"> <script> googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1645699951870-0'); }); </script> </div> </div> <div class="post-tags"><div><a href="https://riportal.net.hr/tag/okucani/">okučani</a></div><div><a href="https://riportal.net.hr/tag/razgovor/">razgovor</a></div><div><a href="https://riportal.net.hr/tag/zoran-milanovic/">zoran milanović</a></div></div> <div class="share-meta-container"><div class="article-meta"> <div class="editor"><span><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" xml:space="preserve" style="enable-background:new 0 0 640 512" viewBox="0 0 640 512"><path d="M224 256c70.7 0 128-57.3 128-128S294.7 0 224 0 96 57.3 96 128s57.3 128 128 128zm-45.7 48C79.8 304 0 383.8 0 482.3 0 498.7 13.3 512 29.7 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